Reaching taste buds

Reaching taste buds. What a topic, eh? Serious tho, this is something I think on constantly, along with how to reach out and help others understand what it is I do and maybe the reasoning and my way of logic towards mixing. Let’s get going!

Do not hold me responsible. Not for empty flavor bottles, juice bottles! Not for “I can’t taste this” or “omg it’s way too much for me”! Taste is after all, on the tongue of the taster! It’s also according to device and even how your coils use their ohms, the way they are wicked, as well as battery power! So on this note.. and this is for people wanting to learn to mix for others, not necessarily new mixers for personal taste, but it is something for everyone of us to think on.

If you are testing your flavors as solos, perhaps you should test for how equipment is used, as well. Let’s say Bobby Sue fell in love with the idea of tasting your blueberry yogurt, and you really want to turn out this juice, so she will like it. First.. my old saying, you are only as good as the flavors you mix with. Logic behind this is… knowing your manufacture, the lab where it comes from and how they design the flavors you work with. It is your place to understand how these chemicals interact, as it is you, the recipe creator that is designing the juices. A lot comes into play, as if you are a low ohm, high-watt user and Bobby Sue is a medium ohm low watt user, yes, to her your juice will taste different. 😉 (there goes the clones!)

If you have a chance to meet up with a new flavor manufacture, the first thing is to always solo test. I can not stress this enough! Take the flavors as low as you can go, and then slowly raise them up up and up.. push them, as well as your equipment. Discover what they can do at your set up and then change your set up around. Bounce the flavors, bend them, make yourself understand exactly what these chemicals can and can’t do. Just do not fall into the traps of suggested use, or Johnny likes this at 13% so I must too, yet my biggies, a website says average use is 6%, all this does is let you know what others use these flavors at, own your own flavors, just like your tongue won’t be mine, and I can’t share my tastes with you, we are all different, and want this all to be done and over yesterday. Explore, discover, and then once you think you have that mastered, do it all over again! Yes.

As another discovery, those that like in your face flavorings at low ohms and high watts, when you do attempt to start low flavors, you will have issues tasting lower amounts of flavoring, as the higher amounts of flavorings will do your “buds” damage, and the low/weak flavorings will give your tongue trouble, until you raise it up higher. Make sense so far? Just like if Bobby Sue took a vape off a setup that is not like the way she likes it, of course, it will give her issues too.

What to do about this? go backwards.. raise your ohms up, lower your watts, in baby steps, just like with flavors you like as in your face, instead of using a particular flavor at 8%, step down to a 7.5% and then a 7%.. retrain your tongue, shake it up a bit! It works! and your pallet does adjust. It changes every 3 days, 3 weeks, 3 months, and by the time 3 years hit, your mouth isn’t tasting what it was 3 years before. In fact, I bet for those long term vapers, you don’t even vape the same juice you did 3 years ago.. 😉 this is due to pallet change, that causes you to want other flavors. It is also what I blame on my own tongue, as I do not have an all day vape. I rarely vape the same juice even for more than half a day. I keep around 12 different juices on my desk and vape at least half of them all day.

What I am saying here is don’t stagnate, but think on what and how  you vape, think outside the box and what could improve your mixing skills. Think, before you “gift” any juices out, towards the people that will be trying them. Just think,  if you could make your recipes just so drool worthy, they will always want to come back for more! You also want to try things you normally do not do, just to give your mouth a “shock” to wake up your tastebuds so they can get back to working for you, instead of sitting on the side lines.

The other thing I have discovered, specially working with ultra concentrates like Flavorah, is again back to my zombies and flavor overuse is that these flavors of ours do change with the amounts used. Sometimes they appear to taste like what they are, but you might not notice notes go missing when overused, or it might mute out from the get go, or fade over time (another biggie for flavor overuse) so use these with all this in mind. I hope, again that these notes of mine help out.

I really would love some feedback on these ideas of mine, so please dont be shy.. leave me a comment below! 🙂 ~S


Flavor Overuse – My Opinion!

I run across this at least a few times a day, flavor overuse. What is it? It’s when you do not do solo tast testing, starting from low flavor and raise it up, keeping notes on what you taste, when and where and even equipment matters. It’s when you guess at a starting point and then think: well it taste good here, only to discover now you can’t taste certain other juices. It’s when you see other people using it at that amount and assuming it is good right there, they like it, so you must like it too.  Hydration, medicine, diet, exercise too, all plays a part.

Example: Can’t taste juice -ecf. <More for zombie tongue, not flavor overload. but the effects of over flavoring are very very similar!

Taste bud damage is more than when you vape one particular juice profile repeatedly, rather your “buds” no longer taste that one flavor or juice. I have seen this happen with blue raspberry mixes, as well as other flavors and juices around. Flavor overload can and will do damage with repeated use of over flavoring. Are you over using your flavors? How do you know? If you do not test them from the very lowest to the very highest, you will not see the zombie effect this particular manufacture has, so how can you tell? By reading every recipe every review, talk to people that use this flavor line!

I have almost 2 yrs working with ultra concentrates, so yes I can base all of this on my own experiences. More on taste buds, up next, so please hang with me and keep reading!

Your taste buds regenerate every 3 days, 3 weeks, 3 months and 3 years. At the 3 year mark, the entire “live” buds will have completely regenerated. There are some that die off and never ever come back. I can not prove the link to zombie tongue, but it does follow that pattern. I believe this is why your “tastes” change, but I could be wrong.

What I have noticed with Flavorah, is if you follow my blog here, and use drops, starting from 1-2 drops in 10ml and work up, you can easily find where you like a flavor at. From there, look at the amount. Then if you feel all froggy, and want to experiment, raise the flavors higher and higher, then maybe you will believe me, it will lead you back to what I have coined, zombie flavors.

You can push past the chemical and mutation parts, using more flavor than you really need, and have the flavor “come back”, bringing out only the higher notes of the flavor “peeking” or topping up, and then the lower notes disappearing, yet still achieve the same taste as you would using 3-7 drops .06 grams – .18 grams, because your tongue can’t tell the lower notes are gone, but they do disappear. This is what I call flavor waste. Too much flavor and spending too much money on something, if you had experimented with, could save you money, time and flavorings. It will also kill off your “buds” to where you will not taste flavors you like at lower amounts, unnoticed, until you end up with a juice from me or others that mix with my levels.

Once you go high on flavors, your taste buds change to reflect this. We can become so accustomed to those mixes that are “in your face”, that when juice testing or even vaping favorite juices, your taste buds are in a constant state of shock. It will make you feel like you can not vape anything below a higher threshold.

How to fix, or repair the damage? By stepping down slowly, just like how you would do to step down from nicotine in your eliquids. It’s that simple, and go slow.

I just know what works for me, and what and how to turn out top shelf juice. I want to taste my juice, the high and low notes, and I want it rich and just decedent to my tongue! I know that if I keep it at a reasonable amount, being that Flavorah is an ultra concentrate, not a standard flavoring, lower is better, less is more, and less is better for you. I also see it as this, if it cost me “x” amount to get the full high and low notes of each flavor, and when someone else is using a higher amount, cost comes into play. You spend more, to use more, when you need less, and spend less. Out of all of this however, you and your tongue as well as judgement on what tastes good to you,  might be different from my views and tastes.

I know this is a repeated post, but the more I keep seeing people using Flavorah at higher amounts, the more I cringe! However, in the end, how you want your flavors is on you. You are in control of how your flavors react, and it does make a difference. If you like it at 3%, 5% 9% and even 13%, go for it. I just wonder, am I coming in loud and clear yet? Is anyone out there paying attention?

Flavor Care, Take care of your flavors!

Here is my memo for today, on Flavor care.

Taken from one of my notes:

Every concentrated flavor is a mixture of raw materials, and every flavor blend can act differently. For example flavors that have a vanilla characteristic are going to have slightly different storage capabilities than fruit flavors. Here’s the reason : vanilla and caramel flavors are mostly made of large molecules like vanillin, ethyl vanillin , etc.; we call them compounds in a finished flavoring.

Whenever you open a bottle, it’s the lightest and smallest molecules that escape and reach your nose quickly. Over time when you open a bottle over and over again more and more proportion of these lighter molecules leave the bottle and eventually the character of the flavor will be changed. This doesn’t mean the flavors spoiled, it’s just different. So this is one piece of advice, if you are going to store a flavor for a long period of time, transfer the flavor to smaller bottles that will you will not have to open over and over again.

When a flavor is warm, like if it’s a hot day, when you open the bottle even more of the volatile molecules will escape, much more will escape than if the flavor was cool. This is true for all liquids, when liquids are heated the molecules are much more easily converted to their gaseous state. This is also the reason why you should not be “top off” on creating your juices, as they depend on the gases to help steep into your base mix.

HDPE plastic, is very resistant to interaction with the flavors.
However, even with HDPE plastic, I really wouldn’t recommend storing them for longer than a month or so.. It’s much better to store things long-term in glass, or PET bottles, and it is not a good idea at all to store the flavors with the plastic eyedropper caps on the bottles. The rubber that’s used with the eyedropper’s is extremely soft and interacts with the flavoring. Some Flavors can appear to eat into, and other flavors will demolish rubber dropper tops, depending on the compounds inside them.

I hope this helps in understanding how to manage your flavors, and as usual, any questions, just ask!

Flavor Pushing Zombies

This right here, is the best title for this post that I can even dream of, flavor pushing zombies, and more, oh my! Almost sounds unbelievable, doesn’t it? Well, with this article I hope to do a lot of explaining, and would love it if I had some feedback on this, in any form!

On to this fine topic! First, let’s take a random flavor example: blueberry. (altho most of the ultras can be classified as zombie flavors, hang with me a moment!) You will need some supplies: 4 – 10ml bottles, FlV Blueberry, and of course, your favorite dripper (for tank use, triple the drop amounts, and use 30ml bottles).   Now, here is the project:

Mix #1
1- 10ml at 3 drops .06 grams Blueberry

Mix #2
1- 10ml at 9 drops .18 grams Blueberry

Mix #3
1- 10ml at 18 drops .36 grams Blueberry

Mix #4
1-10ml at 36 drops .64 grams Blueberry


Allow them a quick 3 sec microwave burst, and shake really good. Set them aside for the next 2-3 days and then, only then, let’s do some sampling!

You will notice, at 3 drops .06 grams, there is a blueberry taste, but it’s a good light blueberry. (It’s only .06 grams, after all!) It could be a solid amount in a recipe used with other flavors, but the blueberry is there.  Now go find some coffee or crackers and take a 30 min break to make sure your mouth is reset on taste buds! Do some thinking on what you just tasted and some recipes you might could work with.

Now for the 9 drops .18 grams of Blueberry, it is a in your face, lushy blueberry, almost to the point of overload, but not right yet! The 10ml 9 drops is actually what i’d refer to as a flavor push, to push the flavor to the max used, without falling over and ruining the flavor or your mouth. It’s a fantastic solo flavor and doesn’t need much more other than maybe marshmallow for mouth feel, maybe if you like your blueberries sugary sweet, 2-4 drops of FLV Sweetness. This is definitely flavor pushing!

At 18 drops .36 grams in our 10ml bottle, the blueberry has become obnoxious! Definitely blueberry but I can pick up a good chemical spin taste, even when finger tasting. Absolutely guaranteed to give any flavor creator a bad rep from bad reviews about mixing too high.

Now for the highest one, 36 drops .64 grams, the chemical taste has toned down and almost out, leaving a fresh blueberry, juicy, with a hint of the stem area and skin, like it burst into your mouth and now your tongue is blue from doing way too much blueberries! This is the highest form of flavor pushing, and a big reason why I do not go over certain amounts with certain flavors. Sometimes it will not turn out alright (a few exceptions, like the vanilla custard and a few others). This is why I do mix by the drop, I teach others to mix by the drop and when you use more than the amount, you will notice a few things, flavor mutations, you get the flavor, but the other tiny parts that make up a flavor will get lost, or worse, flavor muting either after mixed or after a given time. when you use more than needed, you waste not only time, and money but it cheapens Flavorah, and honestly, less is more than you can dream of.  So go easy out there, it’s really like liquid gold.

I see so many recipes calling for 1% or 6% even one person claiming he used 13% of flv flavors and it had a throat hit, no wonder why! When if you play by my examples here, and keep in mind this one thing: 1 drop = .02 grams or! .02ml   the most I used here, the max was .64 grams or .64ml in a 10ml bottle. * Edit, the one I liked is equal to .18ml in our 10ml bottle, and it really is too high to be used in this way, as a solo, for me. I barely use blueberry in a 30ml with 9 drops, as a solo, with maybe marshmallow and a touch of sweet. Flavor pushing shouldn’t happen all the time, only the rare occasions.

I also term this as a “flavor zombie” as what happens with the compounds is that you push them into an area and they take over and can die (mute) and come back to life. There are thin lines these flavors of ours “walk” and I do not like to make zombie juice for myself or anyone else.

I hope to see a few others experimenting with Flavorah and make some public posts out there, I will see. I do not have accounts everywhere, but if it is public and I am cruising, I will see and laugh with you, promise! 🙂

This is the end of the tutorial for today, if I have some free time, I will upload more recipes soon! Keep a eye out! 🙂 S.