Reaching taste buds

Reaching taste buds. What a topic, eh? Serious tho, this is something I think on constantly, along with how to reach out and help others understand what it is I do and maybe the reasoning and my way of logic towards mixing. Let’s get going!

Do not hold me responsible. Not for empty flavor bottles, juice bottles! Not for “I can’t taste this” or “omg it’s way too much for me”! Taste is after all, on the tongue of the taster! It’s also according to device and even how your coils use their ohms, the way they are wicked, as well as battery power! So on this note.. and this is for people wanting to learn to mix for others, not necessarily new mixers for personal taste, but it is something for everyone of us to think on.

If you are testing your flavors as solos, perhaps you should test for how equipment is used, as well. Let’s say Bobby Sue fell in love with the idea of tasting your blueberry yogurt, and you really want to turn out this juice, so she will like it. First.. my old saying, you are only as good as the flavors you mix with. Logic behind this is… knowing your manufacture, the lab where it comes from and how they design the flavors you work with. It is your place to understand how these chemicals interact, as it is you, the recipe creator that is designing the juices. A lot comes into play, as if you are a low ohm, high-watt user and Bobby Sue is a medium ohm low watt user, yes, to her your juice will taste different. 😉 (there goes the clones!)

If you have a chance to meet up with a new flavor manufacture, the first thing is to always solo test. I can not stress this enough! Take the flavors as low as you can go, and then slowly raise them up up and up.. push them, as well as your equipment. Discover what they can do at your set up and then change your set up around. Bounce the flavors, bend them, make yourself understand exactly what these chemicals can and can’t do. Just do not fall into the traps of suggested use, or Johnny likes this at 13% so I must too, yet my biggies, a website says average use is 6%, all this does is let you know what others use these flavors at, own your own flavors, just like your tongue won’t be mine, and I can’t share my tastes with you, we are all different, and want this all to be done and over yesterday. Explore, discover, and then once you think you have that mastered, do it all over again! Yes.

As another discovery, those that like in your face flavorings at low ohms and high watts, when you do attempt to start low flavors, you will have issues tasting lower amounts of flavoring, as the higher amounts of flavorings will do your “buds” damage, and the low/weak flavorings will give your tongue trouble, until you raise it up higher. Make sense so far? Just like if Bobby Sue took a vape off a setup that is not like the way she likes it, of course, it will give her issues too.

What to do about this? go backwards.. raise your ohms up, lower your watts, in baby steps, just like with flavors you like as in your face, instead of using a particular flavor at 8%, step down to a 7.5% and then a 7%.. retrain your tongue, shake it up a bit! It works! and your pallet does adjust. It changes every 3 days, 3 weeks, 3 months, and by the time 3 years hit, your mouth isn’t tasting what it was 3 years before. In fact, I bet for those long term vapers, you don’t even vape the same juice you did 3 years ago.. 😉 this is due to pallet change, that causes you to want other flavors. It is also what I blame on my own tongue, as I do not have an all day vape. I rarely vape the same juice even for more than half a day. I keep around 12 different juices on my desk and vape at least half of them all day.

What I am saying here is don’t stagnate, but think on what and how  you vape, think outside the box and what could improve your mixing skills. Think, before you “gift” any juices out, towards the people that will be trying them. Just think,  if you could make your recipes just so drool worthy, they will always want to come back for more! You also want to try things you normally do not do, just to give your mouth a “shock” to wake up your tastebuds so they can get back to working for you, instead of sitting on the side lines.

The other thing I have discovered, specially working with ultra concentrates like Flavorah, is again back to my zombies and flavor overuse is that these flavors of ours do change with the amounts used. Sometimes they appear to taste like what they are, but you might not notice notes go missing when overused, or it might mute out from the get go, or fade over time (another biggie for flavor overuse) so use these with all this in mind. I hope, again that these notes of mine help out.

I really would love some feedback on these ideas of mine, so please dont be shy.. leave me a comment below! 🙂 ~S


Help with Recipes, using math!

I have had a few people asking me, Smoky, just how do I put in my recipe to calculators like “ELR” so.. mini tutorial for you all.

First, I picked out a recipe from here, using my drops and grams, Butterscotch Pudding.

Here is the recipe for it, as I posted it on the butterscotch page:


Butterscotch Pudding 30ml

9 drops .18 grams Butterscotch
6 drops .12 grams Marshmallow
6 drops .12 grams Vanilla Pudding
3 drops .06 grams White Chocolate

Ok, so this is the heart of the recipe, where all the numbers are! Now what?

Head over to ELR and create a new recipe, like this:

I added in all of my info. I don’t use nic, not often. and my base is all vg. So check that done. Enter your flavors, and recheck the recipe for butterscotch.



Using the numbers from the first flavor:
9 drops 9 drops .18 grams Butterscotch

I also added in, my drops are 50, to create 1ml. (You might want to measure yours out to see how many you get) No, all drops are not the same, however, I use the FLV bottles for my dropper tips and always come out on the right side of things.

EDIT: Thanks to my bestie vaper BonBon, she noticed and posted on the fb page:  It’s not showing up right on there. What you have to do is divide your drops by 3 so u can figure out how many drops per 10ml. Then take the drop amount and times it buy 0.2….0.2% equals 1 drop. So 9 drops dived by 3 equals 3. Then multiple that by 0.2 and you get 0.6…0.6% is what your percentage is for 9 drops in a 30ml.

So whatever your weight is, divide it by “3” to get your percentage.

It’s still a bit rough, but it should help you out a bit better to share the recipes you create to anyone needed.




Flavor Care, Take care of your flavors!

Here is my memo for today, on Flavor care.

Taken from one of my notes:

Every concentrated flavor is a mixture of raw materials, and every flavor blend can act differently. For example flavors that have a vanilla characteristic are going to have slightly different storage capabilities than fruit flavors. Here’s the reason : vanilla and caramel flavors are mostly made of large molecules like vanillin, ethyl vanillin , etc.; we call them compounds in a finished flavoring.

Whenever you open a bottle, it’s the lightest and smallest molecules that escape and reach your nose quickly. Over time when you open a bottle over and over again more and more proportion of these lighter molecules leave the bottle and eventually the character of the flavor will be changed. This doesn’t mean the flavors spoiled, it’s just different. So this is one piece of advice, if you are going to store a flavor for a long period of time, transfer the flavor to smaller bottles that will you will not have to open over and over again.

When a flavor is warm, like if it’s a hot day, when you open the bottle even more of the volatile molecules will escape, much more will escape than if the flavor was cool. This is true for all liquids, when liquids are heated the molecules are much more easily converted to their gaseous state. This is also the reason why you should not be “top off” on creating your juices, as they depend on the gases to help steep into your base mix.

HDPE plastic, is very resistant to interaction with the flavors.
However, even with HDPE plastic, I really wouldn’t recommend storing them for longer than a month or so.. It’s much better to store things long-term in glass, or PET bottles, and it is not a good idea at all to store the flavors with the plastic eyedropper caps on the bottles. The rubber that’s used with the eyedropper’s is extremely soft and interacts with the flavoring. Some Flavors can appear to eat into, and other flavors will demolish rubber dropper tops, depending on the compounds inside them.

I hope this helps in understanding how to manage your flavors, and as usual, any questions, just ask!